With almost four decades in show business that’s landed her chart-topping hits, multi-platinum albums, internationally beloved telenovelas, music that’s crossed over into multiple languages and an undisputed title as the Queen of Latin Pop, Thalía has little to prove and she knows it.
But instead of resting on her laurels, the Mexico City–born diva is doubling down on innovating in a way that’s most pleasing to her and has been since the start of her career. Whether it’s enlisting rising Latin-pop talents like singer-songwriter duo Mau y Ricky, who feature in her new single Ya tú me conoces and Pabllo Vittar, who recorded a “hardcore” track with Thalía, or a vampy magazine photoshoot that recalls the imagery of her earliest albums, Thalía blazes her path with the ambition of a hustling up-and-comer combined with the regality of a pop royal.
Inside Sony Music’s New York headquarters, the diva has been camped in one room for an hour of interviews for a Ya tú me conoces, with several outlets still lined up, but greets this reporter with a combination of a light-hearted warmness and specificity when speaking, emphasizing certain words to make sure her deeper points are not lost even through the casual tone.
She’s a professional, but willing to have fun, translating some of her favorite comments to her squad nearby and opts to dance out a K-pop song choreography when trying to remember the name. Yes, Thalía’s excited about everything she’s already prepared for her upcoming album but just a few minutes talking with her and one can see how she can get all the more excited talking out the next grand plan in her head.
Learn more about Thalía’s new music, but also what it’s like talking with a pop queen who can jump from reminiscing about her debut to going halfway around the world for her next collaboration. (Forbes Interview)
Already, I feel this great energy from you. Before we get into the new music, I’m curious about this positive vibe I sense from you at all times?
What’s the trick? Coffee, coffee and coffee! And water, water, water, water! No, you know what I think it is? So many years of being in front of the camera and being an artist, starting as a child, that it’s basically just like an instinct. It’s basically like a pattern of like a survival, a pattern that gets activated. When I’m going down, something inside of me triggers like “okay, get extra energy because we have to finish and we have a responsibility”, there is something subconscious that triggers.
Some people may say that would be a bit robotic of an approach, but you seem to be enjoying yourself.
I think it’s also trying to have a positive input, somehow. When I get tired, I then think maybe somebody is going to listen to this interview who is maybe fighting bullying, fighting somebody oppressive at home or in a bad marriage, a bad childhood, you know? And that’s what makes me find strength within to try, do well, and give a good message. I really feel like somebody could be behind that camera or be reading this piece or be behind their phone that is in a bad, bad situation.
Tell me what went into creating “Ya tú me conoces”!
Bueno, I met them before. They gave me an amazing ballad Por lo que reste de vida, which is one my most-viewed videos, and that song is amazing. So they knew that I had been been looking for new material during the last year and that I’ve been in the studio, I’ve been in writing camps, and writing and producing songs. They wrote the song for me and sent it. It was a demo with their voices, I listened to it and I was like, “I love this song. Tell them, ‘Don’t show this song to anybody that is mine! But can you also tell them that I really love what they did with the vocals, the input, the freshness, the complexity that they have. I would like to add my voice into it instead of just singing it.”
Personally, I love how open-minded Mau y Ricky are to really create a world where their collaborators shine. Female, male, new, established, reggaeton, pop, they’re really versatile. Did you feel that openness working with them?
I felt that and that’s one of the things that I like also about them because I’m like that. I love to add that extra into the song. Some songs are just mine and I get very jealous and selfish, this is mine, I don’t need anybody, I don’t want anybody, this is my land. But some other songs, I feel like, “oh, my god, this could sound even more over-the-top if we have this person” and I find that person and then I just DM them or get in touch through whatever or whoever can get me to that person. I send them the invitation and a song, and they just jump on it.
You’ve sent personal DMs to people for work? That must be intimidating.
Yes! In general, that’s what I like about digital and social media, you can just DM everyone. So many brilliant producers, actors, models, people in the fashion industry. I mean, it’s just like, “oh, my god, I really love this piece and that collection that you just launched in Paris is phenomenal” and they write back! Sometimes it’s like “oh, my god, I love you. I watch your movies, I love your song, I’m Mexicana…” [Laughs]
When I look around you have a lot of women, people of color, people in minorities, all around you. As you’re reaching out and creating your world, is there a conscious decision to have that around you?
From my first album, I was always like that, that voice of a woman who said very weird things that other women did not. I talked sexuality, sexuality, sexuality, then my first album, and even my first single as a solo artist, was forbidden on radio. They say it was like “sadomasochism” because I was always explicit, out there and sexual. And right now that’s what is in, but back then it was to express the feeling of all the young girls.
Your recent Galore cover really felt like a similar statement.
That was a completely incredible concept because it was very much going back to my roots, going back to my first three albums. Thalía retro. Thalía from the ’90s. And people, my fans, my followers feel that nostalgia. And when they saw these pictures, they were like, “oh, my God, Thalía from [1992 album] Love, the Thalía from that era is here! It was very in that photo shoot and very powerful”.
Are you back in that mindset with this new music?
I always have that mindset because I’m always there. I just love that whole era. But at the same time, I’m always looking for freshness and new stuff, right? But my essence probably is in those first three albums of my solo career. That’s my essence and my structure as a writer, as a singer, as the music that I like and always come back to. Starting from there, it’s like this tree with all these different branches and and fruit.
Do you have more collaborations coming? Anything that would get your debut-era self excited?
A lot! Get super excited because there’s a lot of surprises. There was one that I thought is going to surprise people, but then she posted a picture… but a big surprise is Pabllo Vittar. That’s going to be super hot and super cool. You can’t imagine, it’s going to be hardcore powerful. Pabllo’s sweet but strong, and I love that. But I’m working hard on this new music, very excited, and that’s keeping the dream.
What do you feel you need to still prove at this point in your career?
I don’t need prove anything, that’s the thing. I have to prove that I don’t need to prove because I don’t need to prove anything. I just need to be happy. And what makes me happy in the moment, talking about music or my fashion designs or my jewelry or my home collection or whatever it is, what makes me happy is what people react to. When it’s something that is more about the strategy, it doesn’t work because people feel “that’s too pushy”. When it feels like you have to prove them wrong or that you have to do these things… no, I just do it because it feels it natural.
Looking a bit outside of your music. Justin Bieber recently shared his Lyme disease diagnosis, a disease you’ve also battled. I’m wondering if you saw the news and if you had any comforting words?
You know, I had just heard [his new] music, then saw his picture and his post. My eye is not trained to see criticism or negativities, so I didn’t see or read anything about what they said about him before this, but when I saw his post, my impulse was [to say] “the whole Latin community is with you because we totally get it. We totally get it. What you’re going through, this very unfortunate, but it’s bringing a big look into this disease and we have to just talk about it”.
Who else would people be surprised to know you’re listening to?
Who is strong in Korea right now? The girls…
I love Blackpink! I love Blackpink. That’s my next collab, that should be my next fucking collab! I love that song [sings the instrument part of the chorus of ‘Kill this love’]. You’re hearing it first! Let’s do it, I’ll DM them. [Laughs] And then let’s do promo there. Because I believe the Korean music community also loves Latin music. They love dance, they’re very passionate about our culture, I feel like they understand our aura. Now, I’m excited!